Tuesday, January 11, 2011

It's not a blog as such, but ...

There's a YouTube video purporting to demonstrate that god does not exist. The argument in the video, created by Dr. Lynne Atwater (or Lynn Eatwater depending on how you wish to break down her name) is hilariously inept and many people have tried to explain that to Atwater in the commentary section.

Thing is, Atwater either doesn't get it or is in denial. Here's a post she made a few minutes ago:

 Background:  I have patiently presented the criticism of Atwater's argument over a period of weeks.  We have an established pattern where I post criticism and then she asks where various part of the criticism are located or asks me to repeat myself.  It gets funnier every time, but this last one where she suggests that my failure to repeat the straw man description for the umpteenth time supposedly demonstrates that it does not exist definitely takes the cake.

It takes mere moments to find multiple instances where I identified her straw man. These are not necessarily in the order posted but rather in the order they occur at YouTube from top to bottom:
You say there is a self-evident contradiction when the chair appears from nothingness. Where is this supposed contradiction? What contradictory state of affairs occurs?

You've got the only straw man argument in play, here. Christian theism does not teach a god that suddenly appears from absolutely nothing nor a cosmos that springs from absolutely nothing (the latter is created the former, who exists eternally). Your argument represents theism otherwise (straw man).

Are you intentionally playing a *stupid* word game? We agree only that something cannot spring from *absolute* nothingness. That is, we agree that your straw man is easily destroyed if we discount the position of science that the cosmos arose from literally nothing. That still leaves us to deal with the theistic position of an eternally existing creator who creates out of not quite absolute nothingness but without using transformation.  That's left standing when strawman falls.

How many more times to you want me to point it out? A thousand? A million?

"I mean, how can you create anything if you can't be around to create it?" It's at about 4:09 mark in the video for which you've claimed responsibility.

It does not follow from my agreement that nothing can come from absolute nothingness that a creator cannot bring something into existence from nothing. Absolute nothingness means there's no god there in the first place--your straw man. Remember?

Liar or lunatic?